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IRAQ AS TRIAL RUN
Noam Chomsky, University Professor at the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology, founder of the modern science of linguistics and political
activist, is a powerhouse of anti-imperialist activism in the United
States today. On March 21, a crowded and typical – and uniquely
Chomskyan – day of political protest and scientific academic research,
he spoke from his office for half an hour to V. K. Ramachandran on the
current attack on Iraq.
V. K. Ramachandran: Does the present aggression on Iraq represent a
continuation of United States’ international policy in recent years or
a qualitatively new stage in that policy?
Noam Chomsky: It represents a significantly new phase. It is not
without precedent, but significantly new nevertheless.
This should be seen as a trial run. Iraq is seen as an extremely easy
and totally defenceless target. It is assumed, probably correctly, that
the society will collapse, that the soldiers will go in and that the
U.S. will be in control, and will establish the regime of its choice
and military bases. They will then go on to the harder cases that will
follow. The next case could be the Andean region, it could be Iran, it
could be others.
The trial run is to try and establish what the U.S. calls a “new norm”
in international relations. The new norm is “preventive war” (notice
that new norms are established only by the United States). So, for
example, when India invaded East Pakistan to terminate horrendous
massacres, it did not establish a new norm of humanitarian
intervention, because India is the wrong country, and besides, the U.S.
was strenuously opposed to that action.
This is not pre-emptive war; there is a crucial difference. Pre-emptive
war has a meaning, it means that, for example, if planes are flying
across the Atlantic to bomb the United States, the United States is
permitted to shoot them down even before they bomb and may be permitted
to attack the air bases from which they came. Pre-emptive war is a
response to ongoing or imminent attack.
The doctrine of preventive war is totally different; it holds that the
United States – alone, since nobody else has this right – has the right
to attack any country that it claims to be a potential challenge to it.
So if the United States claims, on whatever grounds, that someone may
sometime threaten it, then it can attack them.
The doctrine of preventive war was announced explicitly in the National
Strategy Report last September. It sent shudders around the world,
including through the U.S. establishment, where, I might say,
opposition to the war is unusually high. The National Strategy Report
said, in effect, that the U.S. will rule the world by force, which is
the dimension – the only dimension – in which it is supreme.
Furthermore, it will do so for the indefinite future, because if any
potential challenge arises to U.S. domination, the U.S. will destroy it
before it becomes a challenge.
This is the first exercise of that doctrine. If it succeeds on these
terms, as it presumably will, because the target is so defenceless,
then international lawyers and Western intellectuals and others will
begin to talk about a new norm in international affairs. It is
important to establish such a norm if you expect to rule the world by
force for the foreseeable future.
This is not without precedent, but it is extremely unusual. I shall
mention one precedent, just to show how narrow the spectrum is. In
1963, Dean Acheson, who was a much respected elder statesman and senior
Adviser of the Kennedy Administration, gave an important talk to the
American Society of International Law, in which he justified the U. S.
attacks against Cuba. The attack by the Kennedy Administration on Cuba
was large-scale international terrorism and economic warfare. The
timing was interesting – it was right after the Missile Crisis, when
the world was very close to a terminal nuclear war. In his speech,
Acheson said that “no legal issue arises when the United States
responds to challenges to its position, prestige or authority”, or
words approximating that.
That is also a statement of the Bush doctrine. Although Acheson was an
important figure, what he said had not been official government policy
in the post-War period. It now stands as official policy and this is
the first illustration of it. It is intended to provide a precedent for
the future.
Such “norms” are established only when a Western power does something,
not when others do. That is part of the deep racism of Western culture,
going back through centuries of imperialism and so deep that it is
unconscious.
So I think this war is an important new step, and is intended to be.
Ramachandran: Is it also a new phase in that the U. S. has not been
able to carry others with it?
Chomsky: That is not new. In the case of the Vietnam War, for example,
the United States did not even try to get international support.
Nevertheless, you are right in that this is unusual. This is a case in
which the United States was compelled for political reasons to try to
force the world to accept its position and was not able to, which is
quite unusual. Usually, the world succumbs.
Ramachandran: So does it represent a “failure of diplomacy” or a
redefinition of diplomacy itself?
Chomsky: I wouldn’t call it diplomacy at all – it’s a failure of
coercion.
Compare it with the first Gulf War. In the first Gulf War, the U.S.
coerced the Security Council into accepting its position, although much
of the world opposed it. NATO went along, and the one country in the
Security Council that did not – Yemen – was immediately and severely
punished.
In any legal system that you take seriously, coerced judgments are
considered invalid, but in the international affairs conducted by the
powerful, coerced judgments are fine – they are called diplomacy.
What is interesting about this case is that the coercion did not work.
There were countries – in fact, most of them – who stubbornly
maintained the position of the vast majority of their populations.
The most dramatic case is Turkey. Turkey is a vulnerable country,
vulnerable to U.S. punishment and inducements. Nevertheless, the new
government, I think to everyone’s surprise, did maintain the position
of about 90 per cent of its population. Turkey is bitterly condemned
for that here, just as France and Germany are bitterly condemned
because they took the position of the overwhelming majority of their
populations. The countries that are praised are countries like Italy
and Spain, whose leaders agreed to follow orders from Washington over
the opposition of maybe 90 per cent of their populations.
That is another new step. I cannot think of another case where hatred
and contempt for democracy have so openly been proclaimed, not just by
the government, but also by liberal commentators and others. There is
now a whole literature trying to explain why France, Germany, the so-
called “old Europe”, and Turkey and others are trying to undermine the
United States. It is inconceivable to the pundits that they are doing
so because they take democracy seriously and they think that when the
overwhelming majority of a population has an opinion, a government
ought to follow it.
That is real contempt for democracy, just as what has happened at the
United Nations is total contempt for the international system. In fact
there are now calls – from The Wall Street Journal, people in
Government and others – to disband the United Nations.
Fear of the United States around the world is extraordinary. It is so
extreme that it is even being discussed in the mainstream media. The
cover story of the upcoming issue of Newsweek is about why the world is
so afraid of the United States. The Post had a cover story about this a
few weeks ago.
Of course this is considered to be the world’s fault, that there is
something wrong with the world with which we have to deal somehow, but
also something that has to be recognised.
Ramachandran: The idea that Iraq represents any kind of clear and
present danger is, of course, without any substance at all.
Chomsky: Nobody pays any attention to that accusation, except,
interestingly, the population of the United States.
In the last few months, there has been a spectacular achievement of
government-media propaganda, very visible in the polls. The
international polls show that support for the war is higher in the
United States than in other countries. That is, however, quite
misleading, because if you look a little closer, you find that the
United States is also different in another respect from the rest of the
world. Since September 2002, the United States is the only country in
the world where 60 per cent of the population believes that Iraq is an
imminent threat – something that people do not believe even in Kuwait
or Iran.
Furthermore, about 50 per cent of the population now believes that Iraq
was responsible for the attack on the World Trade Centre. This has
happened since September 2002. In fact, after the September 11 attack,
the figure was about 3 per cent. Government-media propaganda has
managed to raise that to about 50 per cent. Now if people genuinely
believe that Iraq has carried out major terrorist attacks against the
United States and is planning to do so again, well, in that case people
will support the war.
This has happened, as I said, after September 2002. September 2002 is
when the government-media campaign began and also when the mid-term
election campaign began. The Bush Administration would have been
smashed in the election if social and economic issues had been in the
forefront, but it managed to suppress those issues in favour of
security issues – and people huddle under the umbrella of power.
This is exactly the way the country was run in the 1980s. Remember that
these are almost the same people as in the Reagan and the senior Bush
Administrations. Right through the 1980s they carried out domestic
policies that were harmful to the population and which, as we know from
extensive polls, the people opposed. But they managed to maintain
control by frightening the people. So the Nicaraguan Army was two days’
march from Texas and about to conquer the United States, and the
airbase in Granada was one from which the Russians would bomb us. It
was one thing after another, every year, every one of them ludicrous.
The Reagan Administration actually declared a national Emergency in
1985 because of the threat to the security of the United States posed
by the Government of Nicaragua.
If somebody were watching this from Mars, they would not know whether
to laugh or to cry.
They are doing exactly the same thing now, and will probably do
something similar for the presidential campaign. There will have to be
a new dragon to slay, because if the Administration lets domestic
issues prevail, it is in deep trouble.
Ramachandran: You have written that this war of aggression has
dangerous consequences with respect to international terrorism and the
threat of nuclear war.
Chomsky: I cannot claim any originality for that opinion. I am just
quoting the CIA and other intelligence agencies and virtually every
specialist in international affairs and terrorism. Foreign Affairs,
Foreign Policy, the study by the American Academy of Arts and Sciences,
and the high-level Hart-Rudman Commission on terrorist threats to the
United States all agree that it is likely to increase terrorism and the
proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.
The reason is simple: partly for revenge, but partly just for self-
defence.
There is no other way to protect oneself from U.S. attack. In fact, the
United States is making the point very clearly, and is teaching the
world an extremely ugly lesson.
Compare North Korea and Iraq. Iraq is defenceless and weak; in fact,
the weakest regime in the region. While there is a horrible monster
running it, it does not pose a threat to anyone else. North Korea, on
the other hand, does pose a threat. North Korea, however, is not
attacked for a very simple reason: it has a deterrent. It has a massed
artillery aimed at Seoul, and if the United States attacks it, it can
wipe out a large part of South Korea.
So the United States is telling the countries of the world: if you are
defenceless, we are going to attack you when we want, but if you have a
deterrent, we will back off, because we only attack defenceless
targets. In other words, it is telling countries that they had better
develop a terrorist network and weapons of mass destruction or some
other credible deterrent; if not, they are vulnerable to “preventive
war”.
For that reason alone, this war is likely to lead to the proliferation
of both terrorism and weapons of mass destruction.
Ramachandran: How do you think the U.S. will manage the human – and
humanitarian – consequences of the war?
Chomsky: No one knows, of course. That is why honest and decent people
do not resort to violence – because one simply does not know.
The aid agencies and medical groups that work in Iraq have pointed out
that the consequences can be very severe. Everyone hopes not, but it
could affect up to millions of people. To undertake violence when there
is even such a possibility is criminal.
There is already – that is, even before the war – a humanitarian
catastrophe. By conservative estimates, ten years of sanctions have
killed hundreds of thousands of people. If there were any honesty, the
U.S. would pay reparations just for the sanctions.
The situation is similar to the bombing of Afghanistan, of which you
and I spoke when the bombing there was in its early stages. It was
obvious the United States was never going to investigate the
consequences.
Ramachandran: Or invest the kind of money that was needed.
Chomsky: Oh no. First, the question is not asked, so no one has an idea
of what the consequences of the bombing were for most of the country.
Then almost nothing comes in. Finally, it is out of the news, and no
one remembers it any more.
In Iraq, the United States will make a show of humanitarian
reconstruction and will put in a regime that it will call democratic,
which means that it follows Washington’s orders. Then it will forget
about what happens later, and will go on to the next one.
Ramachandran: How have the media lived up to their propaganda-model
reputation this time?
Chomsky: Right now it is cheerleading for the home team. Look at CNN,
which is disgusting – and it is the same everywhere. That is to be
expected in wartime; the media are worshipful of power.
More interesting is what happened in the build-up to war. The fact that
government-media propaganda was able to convince the people that Iraq
is an imminent threat and that Iraq was responsible for September 11 is
a spectacular achievement and, as I said, was accomplished in about
four months. If you ask people in the media about this, they will
say, “Well, we never said that,” and it is true, they did not. There
was never a statement that Iraq is going to invade the United States or
that it carried out the World Trade Centre attack. It was just
insinuated, hint after hint, until they finally got people to believe
it.
Ramachandran: Look at the resistance, though. Despite the propaganda,
despite the denigration of the United Nations, they haven’t quite
carried the day.
Chomsky: You never know. The United Nations is in a very hazardous
position.
The United States might move to dismantle it. I don’t really expect
that, but at least to diminish it, because when it isn’t following
orders, of what use is it?
Ramachandran: Noam, you have seen movements of resistance to
imperialism over a long period – Vietnam, Central America, Gulf War I.
What are your impressions of the character, sweep and depth of the
present resistance to U.S. aggression? We take great heart in the
extraordinary mobilisations all over the world.
Chomsky: Oh, that is correct; there is just nothing like it. Opposition
throughout the world is enormous and unprecedented, and the same is
true of the United States. Yesterday, for example, I was in
demonstrations in downtown Boston, right around the Boston Common. It
is not the first time I have been there. The first time I participated
in a demonstration there at which I was to speak was in October 1965.
That was four years after the United States had started bombing South
Vietnam. Half of South Vietnam had been destroyed and the war had been
extended to North Vietnam. We could not have a demonstration because it
was physically attacked, mostly by students, with the support of the
liberal press and radio, who denounced these people who were daring to
protest against an American war.
On this occasion, however, there was a massive protest before the war
was launched officially and once again on the day it was launched –
with no counter-demonstrators. That is a radical difference. And if it
were not for the fear factor that I mentioned, there would be much more
opposition.
The government knows that it cannot carry out long-term aggression and
destruction as in Vietnam because the population will not tolerate it.
There is only one way to fight a war now. First of all, pick a much
weaker enemy, one that is defenceless. Then build it up in the
propaganda system as either about to commit aggression or as an
imminent threat. Next, you need a lightning victory. An important
leaked document of the first Bush Administration in 1989 described how
the U.S. would have to fight war. It said that the U.S. had to fight
much weaker enemies, and that victory must be rapid and decisive, as
public support will quickly erode. It is no longer like the 1960s, when
a war could be fought for years with no opposition at all.
In many ways, the activism of the 1960s and subsequent years has simply
made a lot of the world, including this country, much more civilised in
many domains.